World-wide Riesling tasting..a great report here!!

On petrol in riesling, I have heard (third hand) that John Vickery, Australian riesling guru responsible for the Leo Buring wines of the 1970's, believes the petrol character comes from grapes getting excessive direct sun exposure. Andrew

A belief confirmed by research studies, notably Marais et al in 1992.

Marais, J., Van Wyk, C.J. & Rapp, A., 1992a. Effect of sunlight and shade on
norisoprenoid levels in maturing Weisser Riesling and Chenin blanc grapes and
Weisser Riesling wines. S. Afr. J. Enol. Vitic. 13, 23-32.

Greetings / Fredrik L

Fredrick,
That is the very source 'Jane' quoted.

J. Marais, C.J. van Wyk and A. Rapp, Effect of sunlight and shade on norisoprenoid levels in maturing Weisser Riesling and Chenin Blanc grapes and Weisser Riesling wines, S. Afr. J. Enol. Vitic., 13 (1992) 23-32.
This study was done on both wine and grapes. Within the same journal (same reference) is another study concentrating on the effects of storage time, temp and region on TDN. pgs 33-44.

I'm gonna put out an APB to other contributors to that old thread.

The AP number of the 2005 Egon Müller, Scharzhofberger Riesling Spätlese that Max Marriott liked so much was Nr 3 567 142-04-06. Does this mean it was an AP4 (regular) or an AP5 (auction)? Thanks for bearing with this minutiae!

[David M. Bueker]

That's AP#4. The next to last pair of digits is the really important part.

Thanks, David, I managed to find myself two bottles, and hope to report on one later in the year.

Thanks, David, I managed to find myself two bottles, and hope to report on one later in the year.

You found some bottles of the auction -5-??? this is a great, great wine ... at unfortunately a great, great price: it was hammered down at the auction at e67, to which you need to add 3-5% auction commission, transport to your region and vat. a german would pay this bottle min e80-84.

i had both wines next to each other at the estate in august 06 and while the whole range by egon müller that vintage was the single greatest range of wines i ever had (and yes waldorf - grünhaus included! with maybe the exception of the grünhaus 1993), the star of the show was the auction spätlese -5-. i did not taste both next to each other since so am looking forward to your notes!

(as you probably have guessed by now, when people are talking of ap, they either say 23 00 - two four last digits, or they try to cool like me above and only give one number - that number is the annual serial number)

[David M. Bueker]

Jean - he got the AP#4

Alas, Jean, David is right, I got the #4, but since it was the #4 that left Max Marriott wordless, perhaps it will perform the same (miracle) for me...

Alas, Jean, David is right, I got the #4, but since it was the #4 that left Max Marriott wordless, perhaps it will perform the same (miracle) for me...

no need to alas - I am praising the -5- and will stick to it but the -4- is already absolutely mind-boggling. So Oswaldo, while you are going to go crackanuts on the -4- ... keep just keep out of mind -5- believe me, you won't miss it all.

let me just repeat myself: the 2005 egon müller collection is the best collection i have ever tasted young and only beaten (with much hindslight) but the 1993 grünhaus one. this includes tasting the collections of all major msr estates since over a decade and 100s of tastings of older bottlings per year. it is "that" good. even the basic scharhof, which sold for less than e14 in germany is stunning.

so, in one word: enjoy it! ... and don't forget to report!

the 2005 egon müller collection is the best collection i have ever tasted young

This was the year the Scharzhofberger TBA was incredible and sold for the price of a small car?

Yes i agree, small cars are still really cheap ...

the 2005 egon müller collection is the best collection i have ever tasted young

This was the year the Scharzhofberger TBA was incredible and sold for the price of a small car?

Whta do you mean *the*? It was just the cheap one so far, that went to market. There are reputedly 5 different ones. Jean, can you confirm? I expect to see an 05 auction TBA in the future, going through evrey price roof there is.

I don't much recall the regular 05 Spl. I think it was the weak point of the vintage for Müller. I preferred the Kabinett.

Peter

[David M. Bueker]

Peter,

I'm glad to hear your endorsement of the kabinett (and Jean's of hte vintage). I think I can get the kabinett at a price that doesn't break me.

yep, there are 4 tba and a ba left in the cellar.

my guess is that the ba will go out first.