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Jenise
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Jenise
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
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Steve Kirsch wrote:2012 Chave Saint-Joseph
Starts off tasting quite young despite a double decant an hour or two earlier. After and hour or two the wine begins to display those mysterious and wonderful aromas that we all know and love about aged No. Rhone Syrah. With more time the experience becomes borderline mystical. I completely forget about Syrah every Spring and Summer and then reawaken to it when cooler weather arrives.
Jenise wrote:2005 Edmunds St. John Syrah Wylie-Fenaughty El Dorado County
Another one I traipsed up to BC last week to show off the best of American. Took to a restaurant lunch so not decanted in advance.
A very classy and classic syrah, Rhonish but American, bright and more youthful than I expected (but everything I would have wished for), cherry/raspberry, garrique, a bit of leather, just a tad sweeter than expected from ESJ but not surprising considering the vintage, a wine in its prime with a lot of cellar opportunity ahead of it. No hesitation about moving the "drink latest" date out to 2030.
Is viognier the only white wine that is blended with red? It is the only one I've ever heard of blending with red, but maybe there are others. And as rare as it is to blend a white into a red, I never really hear anyone talk about it.David M. Bueker wrote:We're into the last quarter of the year, and time to get into some more advanced Wine Focusing. We're going to start blending. This month it's Syrah and its favorite blending partners - Grenache, Mourvedre, Viognier, etc.. Everything is up for grabs, from a classic Chateauneuf du Pape to a new world Syrah/Viognier blend made in the sprit of Cote Rotie, to even a Mourvedre/Carignan (Syrah is not mandatory!) that's representing the interest and opportunity of a winemaker looking to do something different.
The weather is getting cooler in the Northern Hemisphere, so make up a hearty stew or soup, and pop a robust bottle of red.
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
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John LS wrote:Is viognier the only white wine that is blended with red? It is the only one I've ever heard of blending with red, but maybe there are others. And as rare as it is to blend a white into a red, I never really hear anyone talk about it.
Jenise
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
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John LS wrote:Is viognier the only white wine that is blended with red? It is the only one I've ever heard of blending with red, but maybe there are others. And as rare as it is to blend a white into a red, I never really hear anyone talk about it.
Jenise
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Peter May
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Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:24 am
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John LS wrote:Is viognier the only white wine that is blended with red?
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
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Peter May wrote:John LS wrote:Is viognier the only white wine that is blended with red?
No.
Viognier is a special case because it was found that co-fermentation (i.e. fermenting black Syrah grapes together with a small percentage of white Viognier grapes) gave greater colour and flavour to the wine than making Syrah wine solely from Syrah grapes.
White grapes are allowed in various red wine appellations in Europe such as Chianti and the most famous use is in Champagne where most pink Champagne get its colour by blending in some red wine, the only approved usage in the EU of making pink wines by blending red and white wines
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
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David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
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Peter May
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Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:24 am
Snorbens, England
David M. Bueker wrote:
Although Champagne is not really so much a "red wine appellation" unless you focus on the few still reds.
Peter May
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Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:24 am
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Bob Parsons Alberta wrote:
2018 Mullineux Kloof Street Swartland Rouge, SA.
David M. Bueker
Childless Cat Dad
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
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Peter May wrote:David M. Bueker wrote:
Although Champagne is not really so much a "red wine appellation" unless you focus on the few still reds.
Champagne is not a red - or white appellation full stop
Champagne appellation is only for sparkling wines. Still wine made in the same region have the appellation Coteaux Champenois.
(interesting fact: the word Champagne on its own is sufficient - bottles don't need to also bear the words appellation controllee, as required for all other appellations.)
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
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David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Jenise wrote:John LS wrote:Is viognier the only white wine that is blended with red? It is the only one I've ever heard of blending with red, but maybe there are others. And as rare as it is to blend a white into a red, I never really hear anyone talk about it.
It's called co-fermenting and very much practiced in the Northern Rhone but also very usual here in Washington state where I live and where this country's best syrahs are being produced. Usually just a tiny amount, 3-4% is the most common and in British Columbia last week I heard amounts as low as 1%. But here in Washington, a winery called Reynvaan makes several syrahs--in addition to the usual viognier in several, one called The Contender uses marsanne in the co-ferment. It's the only exception to viognier that I know of, though.
John, welcome to WLDG!
Robin Garr wrote:John LS wrote:Is viognier the only white wine that is blended with red? It is the only one I've ever heard of blending with red, but maybe there are others. And as rare as it is to blend a white into a red, I never really hear anyone talk about it.
John, welcome to the forum! I would agree with David that blending a small amount of white into a red wine is not common, but not unheard of. The one that comes right to my mind is Chianti, which for centuries routinely blended a little Trebbiano or Malvasia into the Sangiovese-dominant red mix. That went away with new regulations in 2006, which also allowed them to mix in a little French red - Cabernet Sauvignon or Cab Franc or Merlot. When it was done, though, I think it was the same hypothesis as the Viognier addition in the Northern Rhone - it supposedly heightens the aromatics. Another one: Chateauneuf-du-Pape, which includes a couple of whites among the thirteen permitted (but not always used) varieties.
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
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