Great concept or gross? PINK Pinot Grigio

[James Roscoe]

I love a good rose, but not in February in DC. If I was in the Bahamas, absolutely!

Even for you, Robin, I'm not buying one to find out. I can't see the point of pink wines.

None of them?

I love the good ones, particularly in warmer weather.

What's the big deal? I recall reading about a pink pinot grigio twenty or twenty-five years ago.

Even for you, Robin, I'm not buying one to find out. I can't see the point of pink wines.

None of them?

I love the good ones, particularly in warmer weather.

No.

I, like Robin, drank and enjoyed some local pink wines when I was in Provence. But I can't see the point.

If I want a white wine I don't want subdued flavours from the skins. If I wanted them, then I'd go for red. In fact I nearly always go for red. If its bakinghot (as I hope it will be next week in the Cape, then I'll put the red in an ice bucket.

[Robin Garr]

What's the big deal? I recall reading about a pink pinot grigio twenty or twenty-five years ago.

Geez, I'm really starting to think I'm losing my writing skills here.

Again: I was put off by the apparent <i>market positioning</i> of this Pinot Grigio, making it pink and "off-dry" (i.e., sweet) and selling it as a cocktail.

Geez, I'm really starting to think I'm losing my writing skills here. .

I think you are.

Surely Jeez starts with a J

Geez, I'm really starting to think I'm losing my writing skills here. .

I think you are.

Surely Jeez starts with a J

I think it is Jeeves that starts with a J

[Robin Garr]

Geez, I'm really starting to think I'm losing my writing skills here. .

I think you are.

Surely Jeez starts with a J

Probably not, at least in the New World. Many of the similar euphemisms adopted to avoid taking the lord's name in vain - Gosh, Golly, Gee, Gee Whillikers, etc. - all use "G" in the initial position. "Jeepers" is an exception, but the Gs tend to dominate.

[James Roscoe]

Geez, I'm really starting to think I'm losing my writing skills here. .

I think you are.

Surely Jeez starts with a J

Probably not, at least in the New World. Many of the similar euphemisms adopted to avoid taking the lord's name in vain - Gosh, Golly, Gee, Gee Whillikers, etc. - all use "G" in the initial position. "Jeepers" is an exception, but the Gs tend to dominate.

At least in the US and Canada. Don't make any assumptions about our English speakiing brethren across the pond.

Geez, I'm really starting to think I'm losing my writing skills here. .

I think you are.

Surely Jeez starts with a J

Probably not, at least in the New World. Many of the similar euphemisms adopted to avoid taking the lord's name in vain - Gosh, Golly, Gee, Gee Whillikers, etc. - all use "G" in the initial position. "Jeepers" is an exception, but the Gs tend to dominate.

Well, I'm no expert, but wouldn't gosh and golly with their hard g sound be a diversion from god, whereas jeez diverts from jesus?

[Robin Garr]

Well, I'm no expert, but wouldn't gosh and golly with their hard g sound be a diversion from god, whereas jeez diverts from jesus?

I'm not really an expert either, but I've taken enough linguistics courses (including American and world historical linguistics) to be able to fake it.

I think your analogy breaks down when we recall that the basic form "Gee," with its derivatives "Geez" and "Gee whillikers") all start with a soft G, not a J.

Given that we're talking slang here, chances are that Geez and Jeez are both in the dictionary. Or Partridge's Dictionary of American Slang, anyway, if not Webster's.

Geez, I'm really starting to think I'm losing my writing skills here. .

I think you are.

Surely Jeez starts with a J

Probably not, at least in the New World. Many of the similar euphemisms adopted to avoid taking the lord's name in vain - Gosh, Golly, Gee, Gee Whillikers, etc. - all use "G" in the initial position. "Jeepers" is an exception, but the Gs tend to dominate.

At least in the US and Canada. Don't make any assumptions about our English speakiing brethren across the pond.

England's not in the New World.

Even for you, Robin, I'm not buying one to find out. I can't see the point of pink wines.

None of them?

I love the good ones, particularly in warmer weather.

No.

I, like Robin, drank and enjoyed some local pink wines when I was in Provence. But I can't see the point.

If I want a white wine I don't want subdued flavours from the skins. If I wanted them, then I'd go for red. In fact I nearly always go for red. If its bakinghot (as I hope it will be next week in the Cape, then I'll put the red in an ice bucket.

I'm not sure what a 'local pink wine' is, as opposed to the great pink classics like Tavel or Bandol. They go very well with certain types of food, and we've grown accustomed to eating that kind of food in California thanks to the vaguely Provencal origins of Chez Panisse, a great restaurant here. I particularly like rose with more substantial fish dishes, tuna et cetera.

The OED has some interesting theories here, crediting all to US slang:

gee, int.2 [Prob. a shortening of Jesus! (or Jerusalem!); cf. GEEWHILLIKINS int., GEE WHIZ(Z int.] An exclamation of surprise or enthusiasm; also used simply for emphasis. Cf. JEE int., JEEZ(E int.

gee whiz(z, int. [Prob. a corruption of prec. or a euphemism for Jesus!: cf. GEE int.2 and WHIZZ, WHIZ int.]

jeepers slang (orig. U.S.). [Corruption of JESUS.] = JEEZ(E int.

Jeez(e [Corruption of JESUS.] = GEE int.2

Golly, though, seems to be English for God: [Substituted for GOD in oaths or exclamations; cf. GOLES.] 1775 G. WHITE Jrnls. 21 Dec. (1931) 117 Gouleins (Gothic) salutatio: hence perhaps our word Golly, a sort of jolly kind of oath, or asseveration much in use among our carters, & lowest people.

See Goles: [Deformation of GOD; cf. GOLLY and the U.S. forms goldam, -darn, -dasted.]

As is Gosh: [Mincing pronunc. of GOD.] An oath or exclamation, (by) gosh!, my gosh! So {sm}goshawful a. = GOD-AWFUL a.; hence {sm}gosh-{smm}awfulness; {sm}gosh-darned a., God-damned. 1757 FOOTE Author II. Wks. 1799 I. 147 Then there's highest{em}and lowest, by gosh. c1804 C. K. SHARPE Corr. (1888) I. 210, I promise, by Gosh (which is the most elegant and classical oath imaginable).

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Now you guys got an old song running through my mind:

Jeepers creepers, where'd ya get those peepers?
Jeepers creepers, where'd ya get those eyes?
Gosh all, git up, how'd they get so lit up?
Gosh all, git up, how'd they get that size?
Golly gee, when you turn those heaters on,
Woe is me, got to put my cheaters on,
Jeepers creepers, where'd ya get those peepers?
Oh, those weepers, how they hypnotize!
Where'd ya get those eyes?

I'm not sure what a 'local pink wine' is, as opposed to the great pink classics like Tavel or Bandol. .

Local means the wines sold in the local restuarants there.

What's the big deal? I recall reading about a pink pinot grigio twenty or twenty-five years ago.

Geez, I'm really starting to think I'm losing my writing skills here.

Again: I was put off by the apparent <i>market positioning</i> of this Pinot Grigio, making it pink and "off-dry" (i.e., sweet) and selling it as a cocktail.

I was mostly responding to the title, which asks if PINK pinot grigio is a great concept or gross.