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Re: Total Wine & More: Your opinions?

by Rahsaan » Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:40 am

Peter May wrote:Hence I can't see why Total should cause a *good* independent to close


Don't forget, you folks are a bunch of winos in the UK! Per capita consumption is at least twice what it is in the US, so you have more room for diverse retail options.
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Re: Total Wine & More: Your opinions?

by Sam Platt » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:58 pm

We don't have a local store, but I have visited TW&M in Michigan. They have a large selection of mostly generic wines available at marginal discounts. I think that we picked up a Belle Glos at a decent discount. Nothing terribly special or out of the ordinary, but worth a stop if you are in the area.
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Re: Total Wine & More: Your opinions?

by Bill Buitenhuys » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:21 pm

I first went to a TW in Charlotte a decade ago and came across a slew of '96 G. Mascarello Langhe marked down to $15 and thought it was the greatest store ever. But after that, there wasn't much else interesting. Out here in AZ, we're surrounded by TW and BevMo. Both are pretty useless for wine although I do stock up on Ridge from TW. TW has excellent pricing on spirits though and are now matching Costco deals on most labels. Most of my locally purchased wine is from an indie shop and most of my hard-to-find bourbon buys (like most any bourbon at all these days) is from indie shops. I mostly avoid BevMo.
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Re: Total Wine & More: Your opinions?

by Robin Garr » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:32 pm

Bill Buitenhuys wrote:hard-to-find bourbon buys

Not much of an issue in Louisville. :mrgreen:

But thanks for the report, Bill. I still haven't gotten out there for a look-see yet. It's in the 'burbs, and we live in the 'urbs. But one of these days I'll find my passport and head out.
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Re: Total Wine & More: Your opinions?

by Robin Garr » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:47 pm

I've got to admit, it looks impressive. I'm sure I'll check it out, but it's way the hell out in suburbia, and I'll have to wait until I've got more than just one reason to go out that way. ;)

http://gototalwine.com/louisville/
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Re: Total Wine & More: Your opinions?

by Mike Filigenzi » Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:33 pm

Sorry to chime in so late here, but we've had TW here for a number of years and they have done nothing to the small independent stores. At least around here, the small shops cater to wine geeks who don't shop at TW. This is no different than it was 20 years ago when BevMo came into town. They had lots of wine that only rarely included anything interesting (as we here would define "interesting") at really great prices. Over the years, the wine selection at the local BevMo stores has shrunk quite a bit, possibly due to the competition from supermarkets and places like Trader Joe's, Grocery Outlet, and (now), TW. None of these compete with the few small, really winecentric shops here. The smaller wine merchants compete with places like K&L. So I think you can go to TW with a clear conscience, Robin. It's interesting to see the huge array of wine they have, but what makes them really worth having around (as Bill mentioned) is their spirits selection. At least around here, it's the only place you'll find stuff like the Pierre Ferrand dry curacao and the Smith & Cross rum, which go together to make a fantastic (and very potent) after-work tonic.
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Re: Total Wine & More: Your opinions?

by Peter May » Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:36 pm

Rahsaan wrote:
Don't forget, you folks are a bunch of winos in the UK! .


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Re: Total Wine & More: Your opinions?

by Rahsaan » Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:15 pm

Nice!
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Re: Total Wine & More: Your opinions?

by Jenise » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:50 pm

Jason Hagen wrote:Well they are 1 billion times better than BevMo but I generally try to take my business elsewhere when it comes to wine. Great beer and spirits selection which I do purchase from them. Generally the employees no nothing about wine. The annoying part is they want to talk to you about it. On occasion they will have Champagne at really nice prices which when combined with their coupons works out really well. My store, has the best local selection of Ridge wine as well. I was in there the other day and they had 5 or 6 different bottlings at very good prices.

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Jason covered the points I would cover, so I'll just add to them. I live in a small town. We have 1.5 independent wine stores, but they're very small and where the owners are geeks of my ilk, of course they have to supply the pointy people as well as the clueless. Our two Food Coops also have great wine departments, but they're tiny (about half a typical Total Wine aisle) and oriented toward under-$30 options, which isn't a lot even though they're oriented toward better value imports that I also love. And that means that a lot of the wines I'd like to experience because I read about them on line have to be procured elsewhere or even out of state.

So yes Total Wine is a big corporate jerk. But the comparisons to Walmart/Target are ridiculous. Not even close. As Jason says, a billion times better than BevMo (I must laugh, as there is one of those in this town too but so bad is it that I didn't even think to mention it when listing what's available here. I hate them, they ARE the Walmart/Target.) Sure, Total Wine has a lot of junk, which as someone pointed out is necessary, and a lot of "winery-direct" brands that seem to be a combination of legit exclusive imports and domestic negociant brands, both with higher profit margins so the more clueless attendants will push those on you, but they also have stuff someone like me sees nowhere else.

Sure, most of the employees are dunderheads--there's a lot of square footage there and they can't train 'em fast or hard enough to deal with geeks like us--but amongst them is the occasional serious wine geek. I've found one at one of the stores in the Seattle area and when I'm in town I often stop in and ask for her. In fact, she's become a personal friend. She's a serious Bordeaux freak (and Total Wine has more Bordeaux than anyone in the state) but also a fan and student of wine in general--she doesn't hate the wines she doesn't love. She has a Coravin and a stash of spendy stuff in back that she sometimes offers me tastes of.

Once when I asked about Portugese wines (for which I had scheduled a themed tasting before realizing there were NO Portugese wines locally), she got permission to open a dozen or so bottles so that I could make an informed selection. My question made her realize that neither she nor anyone else in the store actually had the experience to sell those wines, and so they benefitted too.

At her store off the top of my head I've found vintage Madeira, Rochioli Sauv Blancs, Bevan wines, white burgs from Etienne Sauzet, Philiponnat champagnes, some great little Loire Vouvrays, and Ridge Geyserville and Lytton Springs at close to $10/bottle less than they were priced at in B'ham.

For the big neighborhood wine tastings I do, when I have holes in my lineup I can always, ALWAYS find both the right type of wine and enough bottles of it (another local problem, distributors put up just three-four bottles at a time and I usually need 5-6 of each) to satisfy my needs.

For all kinds of reasons I do try to shop local. I never walk into the local wine stores and leave without buying a bottle, NEVER. I love that they're here and I carefully support what they do. But I sure am happy to have Total Wine as a back-up even if it's 90 miles away.

Point is, I get that Total Wine does a lot of things wrong, but they do a lot of things right. Yes they have the kind of stuff that the Target-level wine shopper wants, but they also have things that picky, geeky buyers like me are happy to find.
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