Re: Old World vs New World wine QPR

A $50 bottle that drinks like a $100 bottle is as good QPR as the $15 bottle that drinks like a $30 bottle.

You say that as if there were an objective way of determining what a $100 or a $30 bottle is.

It all depends on your reference points.

A wine that offers particularly good QPR--the wine that you taste and go "whoa, this is only ___ much?" is generally apparent to an experienced taster even if it's not his or her preferred style of wine.

If that experienced taster has as a reference point the general prices he/she usually pays for wine, then the QPR certainly is valid--for that person. It would not be vaild for someone who likes the wine equally, but has a different (lower) price reference point in mind.

I agree with Rahsaan: reference point usually determines QPR.

[Jenise]

And I don't disagree. But my original response was in answer to Hoke's question about my "personal" take on the meaning of QPR. I did not assert that what's true for me is the same for all--just that among like minds, objective concensus is possible.

[David M. Bueker]

QPR will always have an individual component. I have seen passionate defenses of the QPR of SQN!

Sorry abou the confusion

I was teaching a class and during the labs tried to quote and reply to David. Using the interent was like wading through custard, took ages to do anything, sometimes the cursor wouldn't move, or moved 15 seconds after the mouse and kept freezing. Took ages to do anything and seems in the confusion I pressed the edit button instead of quote. I couldn't get back in to correct and was only able to send a extremely brief PM to David to apologise and hope he could sort it. Unable to get back at all yesterday. Now back at home.

[David M. Bueker]

No harm, no foul. Turned out to be a really good thread.

[Jenise]

QPR will always have an individual component. I have seen passionate defenses of the QPR of SQN!

Now that's interesting. I can see a lover of that style defending the price if they're loaded and willing to pay it, but QPR would never apply in my world!

QPR will always have an individual component. I have seen passionate defenses of the QPR of SQN!

Now that's interesting. I can see a lover of that style defending the price if they're loaded and willing to pay it, but QPR would never apply in my world!

There's a very long list of wines that will never possess QPR, no matter the price.

QPR will always have an individual component. I have seen passionate defenses of the QPR of SQN!

Now that's interesting. I can see a lover of that style defending the price if they're loaded and willing to pay it, but QPR would never apply in my world!

There's a very long list of wines that will never possess QPR, no matter the price.

Jenise and Hoke, not that I disagree with your sentiment, but you just proved the point that QPR is based on a personal reference gauge.

Jenise and Hoke, not that I disagree with your sentiment, but you just proved the point that QPR is based on a personal reference gauge.

I don't think I ever disputed that QPR was subjective. I have always thought it was.

Add to the arguments in favor that stance with the concept that with some wines, the matter of QPR is not even germane. Once had a customer (some years ago) who came into my store explaining that he had finally made the big time score, was now rolling in money, and he and his wife wanted "the best Champagne there was!" to celebrate: Dom Perignon. I explained what it cost, and he said "Never mind the cost." I had exactly one bottle left in the store, not chilled. So I lined a box with a garbage back, filled it with ice, and put the bottle in and closed the bag. As we were checking out at the register the box gave a thump and jumped a little. The bottle, it turned out, had a hairline fault of weakness aggravated by the sudden change of temperature and split diagonally from bottom to shoulder, clean as a whistle. They guy looked like his puppy had died.

Moral of the story, though: what possible QPR could you assign to that bottle of DP to that couple? There was no possible assignable ratio between quality and price for them.

And the rest of the story: Success. I sent them to a nearby store. They got a chilled bottle of DP and had their celebration.