"Corkscrew" or "wine key"

[David M. Bueker]

Actually, reading some of the linked materials (and yes, I forgot the quotes while gooling before coffee) it is clear that wine key is a name for a specific type of corkscrew rather than the generic term.

[Robin Garr]

And the wine itself is not wine it's "juice", as in "that is some serious juice."

That's a neologism that drives me crazy. I also suspect it's a euphemism by those who like the buzz but don't like to admit that there's alcohol in there ...

[David M. Bueker]

And the wine itself is not wine it's "juice", as in "that is some serious juice."

That's a neologism that drives me crazy. I also suspect it's a euphemism by those who like the buzz but don't like to admit that there's alcohol in there ...

I don't think so Robin. It has become common use. It's right up there with varietal.

[Robin Garr]

I don't think so Robin. It has become common use. It's right up there with varietal.

That's some great juice varietal!

[David M. Bueker]

Now saying "that's great varietal juice" could be completely correct if you are drinking Concord grape juice for breakfast.

As to Concord grapes, which were used for years in making what were just about the only kosher wines available, one can only thank God, the gods, or his or her personal imp that this is no longer the case. Manishcewitz and Mogen David continue to sell wines based on these grapes but those are consumed more by those with a sense of tradition than true wine lovers (even though some true wine lovers may still consume them during kiddush prayers).

As to juice and jellies made from Concord grapes, well those have their place on earth I suppose, but then again so do poison snakes. Not my cup of juice. With specific regard to Welch's Grape Juice (primarily Concord grapes but with some Niagara grapes added), perhaps also worth keeping in mind that John Welch was the founder of the John Birch Society. More than that and I'm in trouble so I now firmly button my lip on that subject.

Returning to corkscrews, my own choice is invariably for the waiter's friend. Always one in my shoulder bag or a jacket pocket. Amazing how many of these I have had confiscated at various airports around the world when trying to board a plane. Fortunately, most of those I carry in my bag were presented at wine tastings by various wineries or importers (if accepting those constitutes a bribe, I plead guilty) so at least I'm not out of pocket when I see the uniformed security guard toss them into the trash.

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Rogov

Actually, reading some of the linked materials (and yes, I forgot the quotes while gooling before coffee) it is clear that wine key is a name for a specific type of corkscrew rather than the generic term.

See, that's your problem.

I never gool before coffee!

Waiters for me. With the double lever/hinged lever being preferable.

Actually, my real preferred choice would be screwcap.

[David M. Bueker]

I never gool before coffee!

I never gool.

And the wine itself is not wine it's "juice", as in "that is some serious juice."

That's a neologism that drives me crazy. I also suspect it's a euphemism by those who like the buzz but don't like to admit that there's alcohol in there ...

It's not a neologism at all but rather a classic example of metonymy (the town next to Synedoche, NY ). I agree, though, that's it's too precious by half and grates on the nerves.

Mark Lipton

And the wine itself is not wine it's "juice", as in "that is some serious juice."

That's a neologism that drives me crazy. I also suspect it's a euphemism by those who like the buzz but don't like to admit that there's alcohol in there ...

It's not a neologism at all but rather a classic example of metonymy (the town next to Synedoche, NY ). I agree, though, that's it's too precious by half and grates on the nerves.

Mark Lipton

Especially when accompanied by "killer".

Actually, my real preferred choice would be screwcap.

Pardon me, sir?????

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Rogov

[Robin Garr]

It's not a neologism at all but rather a classic example of metonymy (the town next to Synedoche, NY ). I agree, though, that's it's too precious by half and grates on the nerves.

Dang! English major busted by chemist!

I do know how to distinguish between syllepsis and zeugma, though, which counts for something (and would also be an excellent label for a cult Pinot Noir).

Actually, my real preferred choice would be screwcap.

Pardon me, sir?????

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Rogov

Only on account of your senior status.

Only on account of your senior status.

The major advantage of attaining a certain age is that one no longer has to hunt out wines that will be drinking well in only another 20 years or so. Well, and of course one does pay a reduced fare on busses and trains and, at least in France, Italy, Israel and Lebanon, reduced prices for the theater, cinema, opera and concert halls.

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Rogov

Damn, we've always called them waiter's corkscrews.

[Jenise]

And the wine itself is not wine it's "juice", as in "that is some serious juice."

That's a neologism that drives me crazy. I also suspect it's a euphemism by those who like the buzz but don't like to admit that there's alcohol in there ...

Up here it's used by retailers and distributors in what seems like an effort to both prove you're an insider by commoditizing the product as well as establish that you're smarter than the housewives, grandpas, geeks and well-heeled buyers your livelihood depends on. Very common in service-related industries to do that, so why not wine?