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Re: Wine can make food taste like excrement, or delicious

by Richard Fadeley OLD » Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:02 pm

-Hannu
P.S. I love pairing rich dark chocolate and a full-bodied red. Would be interesting to read WLDG views on this, too.


I would definitely agree, though a good Burgundy can be just as exquisite. I really like any kind of dark chocolate dessert with the last of a good red!
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Re: Wine can make food taste like excrement, or delicious

by Tim York » Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:27 pm

Richard Fadeley wrote:
-Hannu
P.S. I love pairing rich dark chocolate and a full-bodied red. Would be interesting to read WLDG views on this, too.


I would definitely agree, though a good Burgundy can be just as exquisite. I really like any kind of dark chocolate dessert with the last of a good red!


I've seen a thread somewhere about the pairing of dark chocolate with dry red wine. Personally I would avoid it; it might not be a disaster but I don't think the chocolate would do any favours to the wine because of the degree of sweetness even with 70%+ chocolate content. I follow the conventional wisdom here that the best vinous pairing for such chocolate is a vintage style Grenache based VDN (vin doux naturel) from Banyuls, Maury or Rivesaltes or some port; but I don't rate this as one the marriages made in heaven.
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Re: Wine can make food taste like excrement, or delicious

by Hannu Lehmusvuori » Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:33 pm

I've lost track of all the ideas my provocation has evoked with you winelovers. But I'm more than pleased that my poking has raised something.

Daniel Rogov wrote:Hannu, Hello....
Indeed not everyone need know how to behave in the presence of royalty but one should know how to behave in good company. Or, when necessary, even in bad company.
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Hi Daniel,
I love the way you express your British-Israeli gentlemaship. Tart and very juicy, as usual, but convincing, with authority.

I loved especially your insight on urine. I have a medical doctor as a brother-in-law (he is also one of Finland's most prominent jazz guitarist-composers ) We've discussed this urine thing with him. Apart from drinking urine in the dessert, when threatened by dehydration, it is also most salutary to have a urine treatment if one has a massive wound in the body. Then it is most welcomed that he, or she, anyone who is healthy, urinates on the wound to sterilise it.

I believe that there are very few people who have actually tasted urine or excrement ( I e.g. have not :D ), but fortunately tasting is about 90% smelling. So, 100% of us know what we are speaking about.

-Hannu

P.S. The chocolate-wine conjunction is even more interesting after the earlier comment, which I did not know how to include in this comment as a quote.
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Re: Wine can make food taste like excrement, or delicious

by Hannu Lehmusvuori » Sat Jan 30, 2010 5:38 pm

Tim York wrote:
Richard Fadeley wrote:
-Hannu
P.S. I love pairing rich dark chocolate and a full-bodied red. Would be interesting to read WLDG views on this, too.


I would definitely agree, though a good Burgundy can be just as exquisite. I really like any kind of dark chocolate dessert with the last of a good red!


I've seen a thread somewhere about the pairing of dark chocolate with dry red wine. Personally I would avoid it; it might not be a disaster but I don't think the chocolate would do any favours to the wine because of the degree of sweetness even with 70%+ chocolate content. I follow the conventional wisdom here that the best vinous pairing for such chocolate is a vintage style Grenache based VDN (vin doux naturel) from Banyuls, Maury or Rivesaltes or some port; but I don't rate this as one the marriages made in heaven.


I know that this pairing is considered unorthodox. But what the hell. just try it!
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Re: Wine can make food taste like excrement, or delicious

by David M. Bueker » Sat Jan 30, 2010 5:40 pm

After last night, where I had chocolate paired with 4 different Ports I intend to stick to that. It may not have been magic, but it was darned good!
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Re: Wine can make food taste like excrement, or delicious

by Hannu Lehmusvuori » Sat Jan 30, 2010 5:55 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:After last night, where I had chocolate paired with 4 different Ports I intend to stick to that. It may not have been magic, but it was darned good!


Next time, try ginger cookies with 'blue cheese' & a very full-bodied red! That is a favourite in Finland, during winter. I'd imagine that you have the nerve to receive it.
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