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David M. Bueker
Childless Cat Dad
34942
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
David M. Bueker wrote:My contributions will all be Italian varieties grown in the USA...
Jenise
FLDG Dishwasher
43599
Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
The Pacific Northest Westest
David M. Bueker
Childless Cat Dad
34942
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
David M. Bueker
Childless Cat Dad
34942
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
guy.huntley wrote:I just discovered falanghina a year ago, while traveling through Campania, and have a number of bottles in my cellar now. I enjoyed comparing vintages and vintners when friends came by to socially-distant drink on the deck this summer.
I’d love to talk about another good white I discovered last year, though: fiano. I don’t have the most discerning palate, but I would swear that the fianos I enjoyed in Naples are different than those I loved on the Amalfi coast. The former seemed more mineral, maybe “butterier”; the later more floral and light. Did I imagine this? If I’d been told they were two different grapes I’d believe it.
Who else has noticed this difference? If it’s not just my imagination, what causes it? Are the grapes treated differently north to south? Is the soil—surely all volcanic—that different? What’s going on here?
Oliver McCrum
Wine guru
1076
Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:08 am
Oakland, CA; Cigliè, Piedmont
guy.huntley wrote:I’d love to talk about another good white I discovered last year, though: fiano. I don’t have the most discerning palate, but I would swear that the fianos I enjoyed in Naples are different than those I loved on the Amalfi coast. The former seemed more mineral, maybe “butterier”; the later more floral and light. Did I imagine this? If I’d been told they were two different grapes I’d believe it.
Who else has noticed this difference? If it’s not just my imagination, what causes it? Are the grapes treated differently north to south? Is the soil—surely all volcanic—that different? What’s going on here?
Jenise
FLDG Dishwasher
43599
Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
The Pacific Northest Westest
Tim York wrote:I can't think of any Italian whites of that sort of calibre to rival best white Burgundy (if pox free), Loire Chenin and Riesling from Germany, Alsace and Austria in terms of finesse and complexity at the summit of wine. ... What do other people think?
Robin Garr wrote:Tim York wrote:I can't think of any Italian whites of that sort of calibre to rival best white Burgundy (if pox free), Loire Chenin and Riesling from Germany, Alsace and Austria in terms of finesse and complexity at the summit of wine. ... What do other people think?
Tim, I come at it from a different perspective: I think Falangina (and Fiano and Greco di Tufo) rank among the best/most enjoyable Italian dry whites for me. And on a world scale, I like them for QPR. I'm I want a really good wine that doesn't cost me more than $20 or so, Falanghina and its cousins offer a very good place to start. No, it's not a good white Burgundy. But it's one of the best whites in the price range that I'm usually willing to pay.
Oliver McCrum
Wine guru
1076
Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:08 am
Oakland, CA; Cigliè, Piedmont
Tim York wrote:While I have no hesitation in placing some Italian reds amongst the great wines of the world (Barolo, Barbaresco, Sangiovese based Tuscans, Bolgheri plus perhaps Etna and some from Aglianico and Sagrantino), I can't think of any Italian whites of that sort of calibre to rival best white Burgundy (if pox free), Loire Chenin and Riesling from Germany, Alsace and Austria in terms of finesse and complexity at the summit of wine.
That is not to say that I haven't greatly enjoyed the distinct personalities of, say, Verdicchio from Bucci and La Monasesca, Soave from Pieropan, white Etna, Greco di Tufo, some Orvieto and some from Friuli.........but not on the same plane as the great French and Germans.
What do other people think?
Tim York wrote:Fair point opposite white Burgundy from the Côte d'Or but less so against Chablis. The Mâconnais and Côte Chalonnaise are also delivering increasingly attractive white Burgundy. Dry Loire chenin, except Coulée de Serrant, is often under €20 and most dry German and Alsatian Rieslings don't break the bank although into the €30-40 range. Some Austrian Rieslings are getting quite pricey, though..
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