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Bonnie in Holland
Ultra geek
182
Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:35 am
The Netherlands
Peter May
Pinotage Advocate
3905
Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:24 am
Snorbens, England
Robin Garr wrote: And, if so, does anyone have a cogent theory as to what might really be going on here?
Bruce Hayes
Wine guru
2935
Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:20 am
Prescott, Ontario, Canada
Bob Ross wrote:"The problem with modern vineyards in a hot summer is that sugars build up in the grapes much more rapidly than the phenolics, the complicated compounds responsible for tannins, colour and, most importantly, flavour. So growers find themselves with sky-high sugar readings, dangerously low acid levels but a distinct shortage of potential character and mid-palate in the wines."
As a personal matter, I hope these and other techniques are successful. High alcohol wines may smell great and taste good in the early going, but the hotness and sharpness often destroys the complexities and joys of the finish, at least to my taste.
high alcohol levels means I have to have less wine. Not a pleasant prospect.
David M. Bueker
Childless Cat Dad
34939
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Robin Garr wrote:First, is anyone but me noticing this, that the high alcohols of the '90s are getting even higher and hotter in the '00s?
Robin Garr wrote:Bob Ross wrote:"The problem with modern vineyards in a hot summer is that sugars build up in the grapes much more rapidly than the phenolics, the complicated compounds responsible for tannins, colour and, most importantly, flavour. So growers find themselves with sky-high sugar readings, dangerously low acid levels but a distinct shortage of potential character and mid-palate in the wines."
But that's not really a "modern" issue is it, Bob? And it doesn't entirely explain why we're seeing high alcohols even in vintages not as hot as 2003.
Bob Ross wrote:a wine labelled 14.5% might very well have 15.5% alcohol -- if so, a 14.5% glass could contain 25% alcohol than a 12.5% glass.
Ben Rotter
Ultra geek
295
Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:59 pm
Sydney, Australia (currently)
Ben Rotter wrote:I think this shift is much more to do with the philosophy of winemakers and viticultural practice than it is to do with yeast strains or climate change. There has been a popular shift in winemaking philosophy over the last 10-20 years which has incorporated phenolic ripeness into the holistic ripeness model. In many climatic conditions that means that the grapes are being left longer on the vines for the desired phenolic profile, thereby increasing sugar to levels not previously the norm. Improved viticultural practice has certainly made an impact too, though I'm not convinced that the effect of rootstock or clonal selection is as great in this regard as many give it credit.
Oliver McCrum
Wine guru
1076
Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:08 am
Oakland, CA; Cigliè, Piedmont
Oliver McCrum wrote:I think this shift is 10% due to global warming, and 90% due to critical approval of 'fruit-forward', 'jammy' wine.
Oliver McCrum
Wine guru
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:08 am
Oakland, CA; Cigliè, Piedmont
Bob Ross wrote:"I think this shift is 10% due to global warming, and 90% due to critical approval of 'fruit-forward', 'jammy' wine."
Thank you very much, Oliver. It's great to read a winemaker's perspective.
Regards, Bob
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