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Daniel Rogov
Resident Curmudgeon
0
Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:10 am
Tel Aviv, Israel
David Mc
Ultra geek
205
Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:20 am
Washington DC -- Maryland Suburbs
Daniel Rogov wrote:Hah!!! You were all certain that I'd post about an Israeli wine. Well....who would I be to disappoint. Here's my tasting note for the recently released Rom of the Golan Heights Winery. Unquestionably the best wine ever released in Israel. No fear though, I'll be posting shortly about wines from neighbors - Lebanon, Cyprus, Greece, Turkey and Jordan.
Howie Hart
The Hart of Buffalo
6389
Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:13 pm
Niagara Falls, NY
Howie Hart
The Hart of Buffalo
6389
Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:13 pm
Niagara Falls, NY
Daniel Rogov
Resident Curmudgeon
0
Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:10 am
Tel Aviv, Israel
Dale Williams
Compassionate Connoisseur
12044
Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:32 pm
Dobbs Ferry, NY (NYC metro)
Dale Williams wrote:TSteuben- is latter lambrusca?
Howie Hart
The Hart of Buffalo
6389
Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:13 pm
Niagara Falls, NY
Seyve-Villard were two Frenchmen who made many hybrids during the first half of the 20th century. Their specific hybrids and designated by the initials SV, followed by a number, which is sometimes hyphenated. Often, if one of their hybrids (they did hundreds to get a successful plant) becomes commercially viable, it gets a name. Seyval Blanc was originally SV 5-276. SV 18-307, while crossed by the same people, may or may not be somehow related to Seyval Blanc. In the attached links to the ancestry of the grapes, S-#### indicates a Seibel hybrid. Other earlier hybridizers included Kuhlmann (mostly noted for Foch) and Ravat (Vignoles). Steuben is a complicated hybrid with both labrusca and vinefera ancestry. It is cold hardy and disease resistant, features which attracted it to the developers at Cornell. It is grown mostly as a table grape (looks like Concord), but I make a rosé from it every year. Here are a few links:Dale Williams wrote:...Howie, new one to me. Link says it's a cross between Seyve Villard (which I've never heard of, related to Seyval? ) and Steuben- is latter lambrusca? ...
David M. Bueker
Childless Cat Dad
36367
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Dale Williams wrote:
David, interesting questions, I think maybe Rogov missed but hopefully he'll see. I've had a lot of Lebanese wines (mostly Musar but also Kafraya and Ksara (sp?). The only other wines I've had from Islamic countries were the Algerian and Moroccan wines one used to see in NYC on occasion, I haven't seen lately but I haven't really looked. I'd guess that the Lebanese wineries might have significant local consumption, as a sizable portion of the population is still Christian. But the North African countries are almost exclusively Islamic (Algeria almost became an Islamic state not that long ago). I'd be curious as to what the story is (I know friends found beer and wine quite available in Morocco, but unsure re what locals do).
And yes I realize that Algeria and Morocco are farther from Israel than France and Italy are!
Tim York wrote:BTW I read an interesting post somewhere (was it from Otto?) pointing out that the Koran did not actually forbid alcoholic drink but tended to discourage those, e.g. wine, which had historically to be imported into the Arabian heartlands.
David M. Bueker
Childless Cat Dad
36367
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Daniel Rogov
Resident Curmudgeon
0
Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:10 am
Tel Aviv, Israel
Daniel Rogov
Resident Curmudgeon
0
Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:10 am
Tel Aviv, Israel
Peter May
Pinotage Advocate
4086
Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:24 am
Snorbens, England
Dale Williams wrote: Are most Cypriot wines from French varieties? Or are there native or Greek varieties?
Peter May
Pinotage Advocate
4086
Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:24 am
Snorbens, England
Keith M
Beer Explorer
1184
Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:25 am
Finger Lakes, New York
Peter May wrote:A Cab Franc from the Loire is hardly a less well known grape or region?
Peter May
Pinotage Advocate
4086
Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:24 am
Snorbens, England
Keith M wrote:Peter May wrote:A Cab Franc from the Loire is hardly a less well known grape or region?
I'd say a sparkling Mousseux made from cabernet franc is rarely seen in my neck of the woods. Most of the sparkling Loire stuff we see is made from chenin blanc.
Keith M
Beer Explorer
1184
Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:25 am
Finger Lakes, New York
Peter May wrote:Keith M wrote:Peter May wrote:A Cab Franc from the Loire is hardly a less well known grape or region?
I'd say a sparkling Mousseux made from cabernet franc is rarely seen in my neck of the woods. Most of the sparkling Loire stuff we see is made from chenin blanc.
Agree
But where does it say it is such a beast?
Bob Parsons Alberta. wrote:100 percent Cab Franc . . . Very fine mousse
Keith M wrote:Peter May wrote:A Cab Franc from the Loire is hardly a less well known grape or region?
I'd say a sparkling Mousseux made from cabernet franc is rarely seen in my neck of the woods. Most of the sparkling Loire stuff we see is made from chenin blanc.
Peter May
Pinotage Advocate
4086
Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:24 am
Snorbens, England
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